Comments for ThinWire Ajax Framework Blog http://www.thinwire.com/blog Open Source Ajax RIA Framework Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:06:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 Comment on Hmm… Maybe Dietrich Kappe should read the ThinWire Handbook? by al0 http://www.thinwire.com/blog/2007/11/23/hmm-maybe-dietrich-kappe-should-read-the-thinwire-handbook/#comment-3164 al0 Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:11:50 +0000 http://www.thinwire.com/blog/2007/11/23/hmm-maybe-dietrich-kappe-should-read-the-thinwire-handbook/#comment-3164 remember, It seems that your look on ThinWire code was very superficial. While it's true (and IMHO pitiful) that TW does not support CSS it has its own external styling mechanism (XML-based). So while it is possible to embed styles, it is not required (or recommended). JavaScript exists solely under the hood (how else would you reach fine-grained control control over browser behavior)? And this JavaScript is fixed library the same for all applications, no Java-JavaScript generation occurs. Concerning SOA - that is absolutely independent matter? ThinWire is about browser-based GUI, SOA are about services. There is no contradiction at all. And Java layer is there to allow you use single base technology on each and ever level of your application. Thus save you a lot of time and integration efforts. Regards, Oleksandr remember,

It seems that your look on ThinWire code was very superficial. While it’s true (and IMHO pitiful) that TW does not support CSS it has its own external styling mechanism (XML-based). So while it is possible to embed styles, it is not required (or recommended).

JavaScript exists solely under the hood (how else would you reach fine-grained control control over browser behavior)?
And this JavaScript is fixed library the same for all applications, no Java-JavaScript generation occurs.

Concerning SOA - that is absolutely independent matter? ThinWire is about browser-based GUI, SOA are about services. There is no contradiction at all.

And Java layer is there to allow you use single base technology on each and ever level of your application. Thus save you a lot of time and integration efforts.

Regards,
Oleksandr

]]> Comment on Hmm… Maybe Dietrich Kappe should read the ThinWire Handbook? by remember http://www.thinwire.com/blog/2007/11/23/hmm-maybe-dietrich-kappe-should-read-the-thinwire-handbook/#comment-3161 remember Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:34:49 +0000 http://www.thinwire.com/blog/2007/11/23/hmm-maybe-dietrich-kappe-should-read-the-thinwire-handbook/#comment-3161 having looked over the source of both ZK and Thinwire (the two top AJAX contenders featuring a java layer), I have to say it's strategic suicide to sink a lot of functionality into any of these frameworks. Thinwire has the virtue of not binding everything together into one complex ball from data field out through UI (out through visually-oriented development process even, in JSF and .NET). However both of these java layers are complex and encode a lot of functionality in a java layer, which if you look under the hood, looks like CSS files are non-existent but styles are embedded in strings, and the javascript is there and looks just like an embedded javascript widget library (e.g. EXTjs). Can someone tell me why the Java layer is even here? In the age of SOA we need separation of concerns, not binding everything into one stovepipe. (I still have my own PHP-based stovepipe BTW...) having looked over the source of both ZK and Thinwire (the two top AJAX contenders featuring a java layer), I have to say it’s strategic suicide to sink a lot of functionality into any of these frameworks. Thinwire has the virtue of not binding everything together into one complex ball from data field out through UI (out through visually-oriented development process even, in JSF and .NET). However both of these java layers are complex and encode a lot of functionality in a java layer, which if you look under the hood, looks like CSS files are non-existent but styles are embedded in strings, and the javascript is there and looks just like an embedded javascript widget library (e.g. EXTjs). Can someone tell me why the Java layer is even here? In the age of SOA we need separation of concerns, not binding everything into one stovepipe. (I still have my own PHP-based stovepipe BTW…)

]]> Comment on After Countless Fixes and Tweaks, ThinWire v1.2 RC2 is Here! Final is Near! by al0 http://www.thinwire.com/blog/2007/09/17/after-countless-fixes-and-tweaks-thinwire-v12-rc2-is-here-final-is-near/#comment-3127 al0 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:04:01 +0000 http://www.thinwire.com/blog/2007/09/17/after-countless-fixes-and-tweaks-thinwire-v12-rc2-is-here-final-is-near/#comment-3127 Hi, Is 1.2 Final now any nearer as of time of this blog post? :-) Hi,

Is 1.2 Final now any nearer as of time of this blog post? :-)

]]> Comment on Hmm… Maybe Dietrich Kappe should read the ThinWire Handbook? by justinquring http://www.thinwire.com/blog/2007/11/23/hmm-maybe-dietrich-kappe-should-read-the-thinwire-handbook/#comment-3037 justinquring Sat, 01 Dec 2007 01:29:51 +0000 http://www.thinwire.com/blog/2007/11/23/hmm-maybe-dietrich-kappe-should-read-the-thinwire-handbook/#comment-3037 Hi, I've just heard about the thinwire framework and was browsing this site. I use JSF. at first sight, the framework looks good enough to increase productivity. One thing where it falls short is the absence of a visual tool.(at least I didn't see any link available to the public on this site). this is a must if you want to compete, microsoft understands this very well, and that's how back then Visual Basic overtook all the other languages, because of the huge productivity gain. As for me and I suspect for a lot of other people, there is no compelling incentive to migrate to thinwire, if there's no visual tool for this framework, whereas I am already using one with JSF. just my 2 cents. Hi,
I’ve just heard about the thinwire framework and was browsing this site. I use JSF. at first sight, the framework looks good enough to increase productivity. One thing where it falls short is the absence of a visual tool.(at least I didn’t see any link available to the public on this site).
this is a must if you want to compete, microsoft understands this very well, and that’s how back then Visual Basic overtook all the other languages, because of the huge productivity gain.

As for me and I suspect for a lot of other people, there is no compelling incentive to migrate to thinwire, if there’s no visual tool for this framework, whereas I am already using one with JSF.

just my 2 cents.

]]> Comment on Hmm… Maybe Dietrich Kappe should read the ThinWire Handbook? by Ted C. Howard http://www.thinwire.com/blog/2007/11/23/hmm-maybe-dietrich-kappe-should-read-the-thinwire-handbook/#comment-3036 Ted C. Howard Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:40:33 +0000 http://www.thinwire.com/blog/2007/11/23/hmm-maybe-dietrich-kappe-should-read-the-thinwire-handbook/#comment-3036 Well, after several comments to his post defending ThinWire's honor, Mr Kappe is taking it all back. http://blogs.pathf.com/agileajax/2007/11/eating-some-cro.html Thanks to the posters! Well, after several comments to his post defending ThinWire’s honor, Mr Kappe is taking it all back.

http://blogs.pathf.com/agileajax/2007/11/eating-some-cro.html

Thanks to the posters!

]]> Comment on Hmm… Maybe Dietrich Kappe should read the ThinWire Handbook? by jgbr http://www.thinwire.com/blog/2007/11/23/hmm-maybe-dietrich-kappe-should-read-the-thinwire-handbook/#comment-3034 jgbr Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:10:21 +0000 http://www.thinwire.com/blog/2007/11/23/hmm-maybe-dietrich-kappe-should-read-the-thinwire-handbook/#comment-3034 He should also learn some GUI programming as well. The TableLayout class we use throughout our project is simpler than the GridBagLayout from java.awt. Sun could include this type layout manager in the JDK. I think Thinwire is an excellent framework. It requires some software design skills and knowledge of design patterns. He should also learn some GUI programming as well. The TableLayout class we use throughout our project is simpler than the GridBagLayout from java.awt. Sun could include this type layout manager in the JDK.

I think Thinwire is an excellent framework. It requires some software design skills and knowledge of design patterns.

]]> Comment on After Countless Fixes and Tweaks, ThinWire v1.2 RC2 is Here! Final is Near! by akeem http://www.thinwire.com/blog/2007/09/17/after-countless-fixes-and-tweaks-thinwire-v12-rc2-is-here-final-is-near/#comment-3033 akeem Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:16:14 +0000 http://www.thinwire.com/blog/2007/09/17/after-countless-fixes-and-tweaks-thinwire-v12-rc2-is-here-final-is-near/#comment-3033 we're still awaiting hoping the form editor to be a full part of the coming release. we’re still awaiting hoping the form editor to be a full part of the coming release.

]]> Comment on After Countless Fixes and Tweaks, ThinWire v1.2 RC2 is Here! Final is Near! by Pablo Sznajdleder http://www.thinwire.com/blog/2007/09/17/after-countless-fixes-and-tweaks-thinwire-v12-rc2-is-here-final-is-near/#comment-3031 Pablo Sznajdleder Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:33:32 +0000 http://www.thinwire.com/blog/2007/09/17/after-countless-fixes-and-tweaks-thinwire-v12-rc2-is-here-final-is-near/#comment-3031 Hi, one cuestion: why a TextField is not displaying the cursor in Internet Explorer 6 ? About the "Form Creator", I am using SWT Designer Eclipse Plugin to create Swing Forms and then Y reeplaze all Swing components by ThinWire Componentes... It is very simple and powerfull ! Thank ! PD: What is the way to send this type of cuestions/contributions ? Hi, one cuestion: why a TextField is not displaying the cursor in Internet Explorer 6 ?

About the “Form Creator”, I am using SWT Designer Eclipse Plugin to create Swing Forms and then Y reeplaze all Swing components by ThinWire Componentes… It is very simple and powerfull !

Thank !

PD: What is the way to send this type of cuestions/contributions ?

]]> Comment on After Countless Fixes and Tweaks, ThinWire v1.2 RC2 is Here! Final is Near! by mike http://www.thinwire.com/blog/2007/09/17/after-countless-fixes-and-tweaks-thinwire-v12-rc2-is-here-final-is-near/#comment-2946 mike Wed, 24 Oct 2007 05:36:08 +0000 http://www.thinwire.com/blog/2007/09/17/after-countless-fixes-and-tweaks-thinwire-v12-rc2-is-here-final-is-near/#comment-2946 Form Creator is near ;) http://www.thinwire.com/blog/2007/02/28/new-snapshot-build-r321-is-now-online-rc2-by-march-19th-formcreator-is-near/ Form Creator is near ;)
http://www.thinwire.com/blog/2007/02/28/new-snapshot-build-r321-is-now-online-rc2-by-march-19th-formcreator-is-near/

]]> Comment on Snapshot Builds Allow You To Try Out The Latest Fixes and Features by giuseppe http://www.thinwire.com/blog/2007/01/20/snapshot-builds-allow-you-to-try-out-the-latest-fixes-and-features/#comment-2266 giuseppe Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:03:45 +0000 http://www.thinwire.com/blog/2007/01/20/snapshot-builds-allow-you-to-try-out-the-latest-fixes-and-features/#comment-2266 Where I can find the editor for thinwire form? Thank you Where I can find the editor for thinwire form?
Thank you

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